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A fact from Hotel Chelsea appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 November 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during the late 20th century, residents of the Hotel Chelsea (pictured) could give the owner paintings instead of paying rent?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hotel Chelsea.

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I'm originally from New York, and I've always heard it called the "Chelsea Hotel", not the "Hotel Chelsea". Is there any basis for the version of the name used here? -- Jmabel 06:23, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The name on their website is the Hotel Chelsea: http://www.hotelchelsea.com/ . I think it's the "official" name, even though you're right that most people call it the Chelsea Hotel. Moncrief 06:27, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

yep- in conversation it's just 'the chelsea'. in the real world that causes problems, couriers looking for the Chelsea Lodge show up etc. Absolute pedantry!

Permanent guests

Can someone say if the hotel is still used by permanent guests? Or is it just a hotel now. Their website seems to suggest that its just an expensive hotel now.

-to the best of my knowledge, the hotel still has more permanent guests than rooms for people who only stay there for a few days. This is what I heard when staying there a year ago (2005).

In a recent Sunday Times Magazine article (25 March 2007), it says that of 240 apartments, 60% are residential and only 40% are hotel rooms. Chrisfow 18:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "Raymond Foye." Not a notable 'writer or thinker'. 71.247.73.50 19:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV?

Does anyone else feel that "Ruth Harkness...during her long decline into alcoholic oblivion." is kind of out of nowhere and judgemental? Even Sid stabbing his wife to death (ok, allegedly) is very matter-of-fact, no judging. Harkness' bit sounds like someone with an agenda decided to vent a little.

Sid & Nancy

This is in the intro: 'It is perhaps best-known as the hotel where Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols stabbed his girlfriend Nancy Spungen to death…' shouldn't this read '…where Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols allegedly (or may have) stabbed his girlfriend Nancy Spungen to death…', seeing as he was never found guilty of the crime, and there were other people visiting the room that night?eiscir 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone really remember who Sid Vicious was? I remember it as the home of Virgil Thompson.Saxophobia 00:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Google search for "Virgil Thompson" returns 16,300 hits. "Sid Vicious" returns 1,670,000, indicating that Sid Vicious is approximately 100 times better remembered than Virgil Thompson. Even if, as I suspect, you mean Virgil Thomson, that returns 128,000 hits. I think Sid still as it.86.0.203.120 (talk) 18:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Frida Kahlo and Diego Riviera? And regarding "On the Road" . . .

In checking Hayden Herrera's book, Frida and Diego stayed at the Barbizon Plaza, now the Trump Parc, whenever they came to New York. I found no reference in any book about either of them at the Chelsea. Can whoever added them to the list of residents provide a source? Also, while there is a reference given in the article, most major books on Kerouac list 454 W. 20th as the place of the final writing of "On The Road" (the book had been in the works for years). Even the Wikipedia "Kerouac" article lists that address. I do not think Kerouac ever even lived at the Chelsea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.46.110 (talk) 05:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC) The citation regarding "On the Road" is a USA Today article, not a scholarly source. It is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.12.203 (talk) 02:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Supposed haunting

I was really surprised to not see anything about the hotel supposedly being haunted. That is definitely one of the main things it's famous for. I'm not saying that the haunting is a fact, but the public notion or general idea should be worth mentioning. G90025 (talk) 12:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's actually not "one of the main things" the hotel is famous for, but if it's so well known, it should be easy for you to find a citation from a reliable source and add it to the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:19, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removal

I did a major gutting of the everything from Notable residents down. I pulled out everything that did not have some kind of source for the information. Everyone wants to put their favorite artists in the list. We should require they provide a source. These were getting so bloated and were very hard to read. ~ GB fan 18:58, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Come on now... It looks ridiculous to have just one song there. Especially when there are explicit references to the hotel in many other songs. Leonard Cohen's song called "Chelsea Hotel no. 2". Bob Dylan's song called "Sara" has a lyric that goes "Staying up days at the Chelsea Hotel, writing Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands for You"

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 04:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The Hotel Chelsea

... that during the late 20th century, the Hotel Chelsea's residents could give the owner paintings instead of paying rent? Source: Vadukul, Alex (November 25, 2022). "A Scruffy Guitar Shop Survives the Chelsea Hotel's Chic Makeover". The New York Times
- ALT1: ... that Stanley Bard, who was jealous of the Hotel Chelsea as a child, later managed the hotel? Source: Fleming, Robert (December 11, 1983). "Hotel Chelsea celebrates a centennial of the bizarre and controversial". Chicago Tribune. pp. J8, J9
- ALT2: ... that Stanley Bard, who was jealous of the Hotel Chelsea as a child because his father spent all his time there, later became the hotel's manager? Source: Fleming, Robert (December 11, 1983). "Hotel Chelsea celebrates a centennial of the bizarre and controversial". Chicago Tribune. pp. J8, J9
- ALT3: ... that the Hotel Chelsea was once called "New York's most illustrious third-rate hotel"? Source: Cheshes, Jay (May 25, 2022). "If These Walls Could Talk: The Hotel Chelsea Reopens". The Wall Street Journal.
- ALT4: ... that the Hotel Chelsea was once described as one of New York City's two "Statues of Liberty"? Source: Vowell, Sarah (February 1999). "I'll Take the Room With the Tortured Past". GQ: Gentlemen's Quarterly. Vol. 69, no. 2. pp. 97–100, 102–103.
- ALT5: ... that a headline in The Wall Street Journal proclaimed that if Stanley Bard likes your wife, you'll get a room at the Chelsea? Source: "If Stanley Bard Likes Your Wife You'll Get A Room at the Chelsea". The Wall Street Journal. December 21, 1972. p. 1
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lacy (song)
- Comment: I can come up with more hooks later.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hotel Chelsea; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

5× expansion of 13 October 2023‎ version completed from 10,743 characters to 60,411 and nominated three days later. No copyvios detected (AGF books and offline refs which can't go through Dup detector). Article is well-sourced. Main hook is 119 characters long (ALT1 is 92; ALT2 is 145; ALT3 is 86; ALT4 is 93; ALT5 is 125); all six are under the 200 character max. limit and are interesting. Ref 46 (verifying the main hook) is a reliable source from the NYT (AGF all other refs which are offline or behind paywall). QPQ done. Image is free under CC BY-3.0. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Amount of space devoted to notable residents

I've removed the undue-weight tag, which was added with the edit summary "The amount of space devoted to "notable residents" is excessive". With all due respect, it is not. Unlike most other hotels in NYC, the Chelsea is known specifically because of its notable residents, of which it has had an inordinate amount. Several sources, such as Ed Hamilton's Legends of the Chelsea Hotel: Living with the Artists and Outlaws at New York's Rebel Mecca and Sherill Tippins's Inside the Dream Palace: the Life and Times of New York's Legendary Chelsea Hotel talk about the hotel's residents in great depth, devoting entire chapters to certain residents. The notable residents section devotes at most one sentence to each resident (and, in fact, most of the residents are mentioned only in one of the bulleted lists).

The prose size of this article is about 60,000 bytes, which is also appropriate given the cultural importance of this hotel. The prose size of the "notable residents" section is just 6,000 bytes - 10% of the total and hardly an excessive amount of space.

Given this context, the tag should not be restored, especially without further discussion. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

William Burroughs

Burroughs absolutely did not write Naked Lunch at the hotel. Burroughs wrote Naked Lunch in Tangier in the late 1950's, and published it while a resident at the Paris "Beat Hotel" at 9 rue Gît-le-Cœur. Burroughs did not set foot in the Hotel Chelsea until the 1970's well after Naked Lunch was published.

This is an example of lazy journalism, propagated. 97.113.244.211 (talk) 15:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Washington Post source says "William S. Burroughs, who under the influence of something decidedly stronger than whiskey wrote Naked Lunch in his room". and the New York Daily News source says that he wrote Naked Lunch "while living at the Chelsea". Do you have a reliable source saying that he wrote Naked Lunch in Tangier?

In the meantime, until and unless this is resolved, I have removed that part of the sentence. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]