Template talk:R from other capitalisation

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The use of "alternate" for "another", "different" or "alternative" is wrong. This page needs to be renamed. — Chameleon 13:00, 17 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

It's the terminology used on the main page on the subject. -- User:Docu

I was referring about the main page on the subject, not this talk page. Wake up. — Chameleon 11:46, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I'll be renaming this page within a week unless someone can put forward arguments for alternate being better than the correct alternative or other. — Chameleon 09:21, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This page (as well as the category) should use "from" instead of "for", like the other redirect templates. ··gracefool |☺ 08:12, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No problem for this one, so I moved it to {{R from other capitalisation}}. I used "other" instead of "alternative" as the later (and "alternate") seem to create lengthy discussions. -- User:Docu

I always thought the answer to that was "alternative" is a noun and "alternate" is not. But "other" is indeed less ambiguous. --Stratadrake 22:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2005 August TfD

This template was listed on templates for deletion, but there was no consensus to delete. See the log. (archive entry) Courtland 01:02, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate templates...

So how did we end up with eight templates saying the exact thing? It's misleading to say that any one of them redirects to another when this is the case, and couldn't we establish redirects without causing recursion issues? --Stratadrake 22:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know about then, now this may be it. There are about 20 redirects to this template currently (r alt caps; R from alternate caps; R from alternative caps; etc.) -MornMore (talk) 10:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Request for category modification

{{editprotected}} Hello! As you can tell if you browse through Category:Redirect templates, they've been thinned out into a bunch of subcategories for a while. In keeping with this, whenever someone can get around to it, I'd like for this template to be placed in the following categories: Templates for redirects from a modification of the target name (with a sort key like "Capitalisation") and All redirect templates (with no sort key whatsoever). It should also be removed from Category:Redirect templates. Thanks! $\sim$ Lenoxus " * " 02:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done I moved the categories to the doc page, so you can edit them at your own will now. Let me know if you need other changes made to the template. --CapitalR (talk) 17:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Now I have a question... Why does the documentation put the template into the categories Category:Redirects from other capitalisations and Category:Unprintworthy redirects (the ones that it sorts tagged redirects into)? I've seen this elsewhere, but it doesn't quite make sense to me...

\sim

Lenoxus " * " 18:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One of the below templates?

The template contains the sentence "Apply one of the below templates to redirects created for this purpose." What does this refer to? Please explain, or preferable, clarify the text so that mortal being like myself can understand it. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 16:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It leads to the title in accordance with the Wikipedia naming conventions for capitalisation?

Maybe someday, but for now Wikipedia remains a work in progress, and we still have many pages under non-standard titles, including cases where the title in accordance with the Wikipedia naming conventions for capitalisation unfortunately redirects to an incorrect title. Until we believe that we have completed the task of fixing these, I would prefer that the template text not give undue legitimacy to the status quo. Thank you - Walrus heart (talk) 17:14, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Associated category up for CSD

The category linked to this template is currently up for deletion here. If anyone from here has anything to add to the discussion, especially if anyone can provide original or current purposes that the category and/or template serve, the input would be greatly appreciated. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling error

The word "capitalisation" is an incorrect spelling. The word is "capitalization." Can we correct this? --JohnDoe0007 (talk) 13:13, 23 May 20

wikt:capitalisation. So no. Rich Farmbrough, 05:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC).[reply]

One of those cases where those of us with US-only spellcheckers get caught. *sighs and hits "Add to dictionary" in his browser*. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 06:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Creating redirects with bot

Please, check this Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BOTijo 2 (again). emijrp (talk) 15:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Ost316, 10 August 2011

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Change categorization of printworthiness from "[[Category:Unprintworthy redirects]]" to "[[Category:{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|printworthy||Un}}printworthy redirects]]" to allow flagging valid alternate capitalizations as is done on {{R from plural}}. The auto-categorization as unprintworthy was also brought up above. —Ost (talk) 19:04, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Ucucha (talk) 21:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request for multiple edits: Interwiki link hack

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This request is for the five template pages listed below. Please prefix links with [[w:]], and use a piped link when appropriate, in the following redirect templates, similar to my change to “Template:R from short name”.

Template:R from other capitalisation: 2 links
alternative spelling: 2 links
historic name: 3 links
to list entry: 3 links; use {{Further}} instead of {{See}}
surname: 1 link

See WT:Template messages/Redirect pages#Redirect display text for background and aborted version of this edit request. This is a workaround for Bugzilla:7304. Vadmium (talk) 02:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]

All done. Ucucha (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What are the Wikipedia naming conventions for capitalization?

As the template says, the page that uses the template leads to the title of the same page page in accordance with the Wikipedia naming conventions for capitalization. But what are those naming conventions? That should be clear from the text that is inserted, or a link to a list of such conventions should be given.

For example, the page Learning vector quantization redirects to Learning Vector Quantization, as it claims that the latter is better capitalization, but it does not say which naming convention is used to determine that. Most other articles for scientific methods are not capitalized in this way, and I feel that this article is being inconsistent in that way. If possible, I would like to delete the redirect page in order to be able to make a move on the article and change the capitalization to make it consistent. —Kri (talk) 17:26, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The naming conventions are at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters (MOS:CAPS). Adding a link to this template seems like a good idea to me. As learning vector quantization is not a proper name, the title has been corrected to lower case. Wbm1058 (talk) 13:42, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But the hatnote at MOS:CAPS says For the style guideline on capitalization in article titles, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization).

This template populates Category:Redirects from other capitalisations, which says: "The pages in this category are redirects from alternative capitalisation, per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization)". Wbm1058 (talk) 13:52, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done – I updated the template to add a link to the Wikipedia naming conventions for capitalization. Wbm1058 (talk) 15:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Code cleanup

I've compressed the code a lot, at {{Template:R from other capitalisation/sandbox}}. Compare it before and after. Big enough change it's worth sandboxing this and seeing if anyone detects an error in it. Seems to work fine for me. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 05:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To editor SMcCandlish: The only "error" I detected was that there were two category links. This was easily fixed by a parser function in the name= parameter. Pretty impressive! Things to consider might be that the sandbox code also subdues the text that follows the first sentence whenever of= or reason= is filled. That text would still apply even if not subdued and, in my humble opinion, is needed. I would also want to include a second unnamed parameter to coincide with the of= and reason= named parameters. That would make this functionality work when this rcat is called by the {{This is a redirect}} template by use of its n#= parameter. The only other thing I can think of right now is that {{Redirect template}} was designed to be used twice in each rcat, and while this interesting method of using only the one instance of the template with "embeds" strategically inserted where needed may be functional, it might be something we would want to consider very carefully before implementation. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 08:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Code fix

The code has been repaired – there were two primary problems and one secondary one:

The code left a superfluous "(space)to(space)" at the end of the first sentence when either the "of=" or "reason=" parameter was used,
the code subdued critical text when either the "of=" or "reason=" parameter was used, and the secondary issue that
this "of/reason" functionality was not able to be deployed when this rcat used the {{This is a redirect}} template to tag redirects.

All fixed. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 06:24, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Paine Ellsworth: Is this in reference to my sandbox code, or the "live" template? — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 15:55, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me for my lack of clarity – this describes what I did to the live template. The only thing I fixed in the sandbox was the double link to the category. It all works fine except for the considerations I noted above. – Paine 18:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can redirects to sections qualify as other capitalization?

See specifically PubMed Identifier and previous discussion at User talk:Senator2029#PubMed Identifier redirect. Senator2029's response suggests that any relevant template documentation needs to make our decision explicit.

(I disagree somewhat with the redirect being unprintworthy, because all the links coming from {{cite journal}} would make the impression that we don't care about cleaning up unprintworthy redirects. Also, I don't see where the capitalized "Identifier" is declared officially incorrect; on the other hand, this section of PubMed's official FAQ does capitalize "Identifier." But I digress.) --SoledadKabocha (talk) 18:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 9 September 2015

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Replace "different" with "other" to match Template:R from plural and Template:R to plural. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:39, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 04:49, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 27 November 2016

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Replace "Miscapitisations" (typo, I checked Wiktionary) with "Miscapitalisations". Mihirpmehta (talk) 18:28, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done — xaosflux ^Talk 04:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Twinkle namespace integration bug

See https://github.com/wikimedia-gadgets/twinkle/issues/1459. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 18 February 2022

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This template should be updated to take a parameter that indicates the other capitalization, if the other capitalization is not the same as the target page's title, analogous to {{R from miscapitalization}}. This is useful on redirects that are {{R from avoided double redirect}}s (to be used in tandem with that template). Mdewman6 (talk) 02:28, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is an |of=, aka |reason=, parameter already in this template similar to what is in the miscap rcat template. What am I missing?...

From other capitalisation: This is a redirect from a title with another method of capitalisation of "template talk:r from other capitalization". It leads to the title in accordance with the Wikipedia naming conventions for capitalisation, or it leads to a title that is associated in some way with the conventional capitalisation of this redirect title. This may help writing, searching and international language issues.
- If this redirect is an incorrect capitalisation, then {{R from miscapitalisation}} should be used instead, and pages that use this link should be updated to link directly to the target. Miscapitalisations can be tagged in any namespace.
- Use this rcat to tag only mainspace redirects; when other capitalisations are in other namespaces, use {{R from modification}} instead.

– P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 04:53, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Paine Ellsworth:, I'm not sure, templates aren't really my thing. With the miscap template, putting another page name (the redirect with other capitalization) after a pipe will cause the resulting text on the redirect page to say what the miscapitalization is. With this template, nothing changes if there is text after a pipe added. Perhaps there needs to be some additional text along with it for it work here, but it's been streamlined at with the code of the miscap template? Thanks, Mdewman6 (talk) 06:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Mdewman6: the two rcat templates, miscaps and other caps, are just designed a little differently. In miscaps, the first parameter, which can be used two ways, either with |1=(text) or just |(text), will render the "(text)". In this rcat template the first parameter is used by the |1=printworthy to sort the redirect to the Printworthy redirects category. That is why in this template, to show the (text) you want to display, you just type |of=(text) or, since the (text) in this rcat is also rendered by the second parameter, |2=, you can either type 2=(text) or just two pipes, as in ||(text). Two pipes together like that indicate an empty parameter between the pipes. So to summarize, with the other caps template, the easiest way to do what you want to do is type two pipes instead of one pipe. Example: {{R from other capitalisation||"'''template talk:r from other capitalization'''"}}. Hope this helps, and thank you very much for your edits! P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 11:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Template talk:R from miscapitalisation § Template intent

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:R from miscapitalisation § Template intent. When should the miscapitalisation template be used? —Bagumba (talk) 06:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Template:R ac" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Template:R ac has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 10 § Template:R ac until a consensus is reached. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]