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Lacking in basic definition and conceptual grounding

First sentence: "Chinese nationalism (simplified Chinese: 中国民族主义; traditional Chinese: 中國民族主義; pinyin: Zhōngguó mínzú zhǔyì) is a form of nationalism in both mainland China (the People's Republic of China) and Taiwan (Republic of China) which asserts that the Chinese people are a nation and promotes the cultural and national unity of all Chinese people."

This is a circular definition. Nationalism is an attempt to assert and define an nation/nationality, and in this case, that's who "Chinese people" are - you can't use it to define itself. This is doubly complicated by the fact that in English, "Chinese" might refer to the PRC, greater China, ethnicity (when they actually mean Han), or cultural identity.

The rest of the intro paragraphs might be salvageable, but are unsourced, questionable ("These last-minute efforts were best exemplified by Liang Qichao, a Qing Dynasty reformer who failed to reform the Qing government in 1896 and was later expelled to Japan, where he began work on his ideas of Chinese nationalism." - what, he just made it up out of thin air? No connection to the anti-Qing sentiment of the Ming Dynasty remnants?), or not neutral ("helped further strengthen and aggrandize a sense of Chinese national identity" - aggrandize implies outsized, as if there's a "right" amount of national identity.

As we're talking about a concept living in the consciousness of people here, I think it's important to recognize there are multiple strains of thought (some of them more significant than others, some of them competing). There's also a great deal of historical events, but the reader is left trying to piece them together to construct an idea of what Chinese nationalism actually is instead of being given an overview. I further question the importance given to some events/topics. Lastly, there appears to be a dearth of Chinese sources - surely Chinese people have their own writings on the topic? 108.51.117.93 (talk) 08:15, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure there are Chinese sources. You would think in an article about Chinese nationalism, which is inherently a controversial subject guaranteed to have multiple perspectives, some of these sources would be used to provide insight. Too bad they are largely deprecated. 136.142.159.97 (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]