Talk:Laika

Problems with article

"Laika was found as a stray wandering the streets of Moscow a week before the launch."

This is contradicted by many sources (Laika was already trained for sounding rocket flights per Siddiqi, for example.) Also, the link in the cited source goes to Sven Grahn's quotation of an early version of Andrew Le Page's article.

I have not reviewed the whole Laika page, but just this glaring example requires that the page be reviewed lest the FA be rescinded. Thanks! :) --Neopeius (talk) 13:50, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I see that this same complaint was raised in January. I'm going to be bold and just delete the errant citation and verbiage. --Neopeius (talk) 13:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

It was re-added again, for some reason, despite STILL not being in the source, and contradicting sourced material. Removed again. PianoDan (talk) 22:55, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2024

Add to list under "Pop Culture" section:

In For All Mankind Season 2, Episode 6 ("Best-Laid Plans") Laika, her death, the ethics behind her death, and the consequences of her journey are discussed at length by characters Danielle Poole (Krys Marshall) and Stepan Petrovich Alexseev (Nikola Đuričko). Poole argues Laika's death was not for the sake of humankind but for the people around her who she (Laika) loved, and those who loved her back, including Alexseev. Jakeverbeek (talk) 21:11, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Two citations have been added. Jakeverbeek (talk) 09:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done but paraphrased: Note I did not include the Fandom citation as it is not particularly a reliable source.

— Urro^{[talk][edits]}

17:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2024

To change "Laika is mentioned in the 1986 song "Laika" by Mecano from the album Entre el cielo y el suelo" to "Laika is mentioned in the 1986 song "Laika" by Mecano from the album Descanso Dominical," – an incorrect album is mentioned while the year is correct. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descanso_Dominical Whoareyouandwhereareyou (talk) 04:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Not done; section cut as trivia. Sorry to be a kill joy but the factoid is better suited to the wiki article on the the Mecano album. Ceoil (talk) 04:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2024

Please add the album “Laika come home” by Gorillaz as a “Cultural influence” Leanomartinet (talk) 22:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be a section for "Cultural influence". Also, the Laika Come Home article suggests that it's simply a naming choice by Gorillaz. Would simply lending her name to the album's title be enough to say that Laika culturally influenced this piece of art? 〜 Askarion ✉ 13:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 02:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

this lot...

whole load of people queuing up to have their favourite pop songs on the page somewhere for reasons mostly specious- yet none of them have noticed that there's a whole entire band with an actual career, named for the space-hound. I'm not going to attempt to shoe-horn it into the article because it doesn't belong.

I only mention it at all because someone, eventually, is bound to come along & say "hey, what about the cultural legacy?"

well, what about it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laika_(band) duncanrmi (talk) 20:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Issues with article

Hi friends, I came across this article from today's DYK and noticed it doesn't quite seem to be up to our current featured article criteria. I personally am not familiar with the FA process so I'd like to ask the feedback of the editors who understand the FAC and article subject better. The main issue I've seen are the confusing organization (Sputnik 2 to training to ethics). Speaking with some other editors on Discord, there were also concerns over the use of news sources instead of academics sources, although I think it's not horrible. Regardless, some editors have found and added potentially useful sources on the top of this talk page. This article was promoted as a Featured Article 20 years ago, and last given a review 18 years ago(see the top of this talk). Obviously, FA crits have changed since. This was given a seeming mini review on unreviewed featured articles with three satisfactory votes between 2020 and 2022, but perhaps a look from more editors ma be worthwhile, or just a cleanup on what we have. If anyone has any thoughts, please leave them below. PixDeVl yell talk to me! 18:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with organization: Sputnik 2 to training to ethics seems logical to me. And I see nothing atrocious with the article to call for its demotion. It duly earned its status and demoting it basing on new bureaucratic whims is a disrespect to article's authors. --Altenmann >talk 19:31, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment @Altenmann. As I mentioned, I'm not entirely familiar with the standards of organization in an FA, so your input is greatly appreciated. In semi-hindsight, calling for a demotion this hastily is a bit quick on the trigger on my part, apologies. I'm going to keep this open to see if anyone else has thoughts on the article's state, but no other concerns withstanding, I probably wouldn't go out of my way for an FAR myself but I need to give that some further thought. I do still think it could benefit somewhat from some expansion of sources. PixDeVl yell talk to me! 20:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Of course, the articles may deteriorate over years. Unfortunately the huge number or articles means less attention from active wikipedians. I myself often put grumbling notices on talk pages, like today:-) hoping to attract some extra attention... Wikipedia is not perfect and never will be. If there is something seriously wrong with the article, it is better to point at specific issues. The number of FA and GA is growing and I am sure FA task force has lots on their hands. I say, let them work on their own schedule, unless, I keep repeating, there is something really wrong. But of course, other people may have a different opinion. --Altenmann >talk 21:31, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I have been doing a bit of research on Laika and from what I have read, the current organization is somewhat misleading. Laika had been in training for years before the Sputnik II program began, being used as a test dog in non-space rocketry. In effect, the article starts, jumps back in time several years, than skips forward without mentioning this time difference. As such, while I don't think the entire FA demotion process is required, this article does have outstanding issues which should be addressed. CitrusHemlock 23:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

"Space Suit" photo ?

According to the article, the dog was in a small cockpit compartment where she could stand up, sit, lay down, and eat, as well as being cooled by a fan. There is no mention of a space suit or how any of that would be possible with the "space suit" pictured. Also, this suit pictured could not have been "worn into space by Laika" because the spacecraft was burned up on re-entry.

I suspect this suit was used for some other Soviet Space Dog mission, and perhaps the photographer saw this in a museum and misunderstood the translations? ReekRend (talk) 18:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

ReekRend, I share your skepticism, especially after reading the file description which contains a falsehood. You are autoconfirmed and free to remove the photo. If anyone objects, we can discuss it here. Cullen328 (talk) 18:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Here is an article in Smithsonian magazine that says Newly cleaned, armed with sensors, and fitted with a sanitation device, she wore a spacesuit with metal restraints built-in.. Cullen328 (talk) 18:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

After a bit of looking I found an image uploaded to Alamy, in which the sign for the exhibit is visible. It can be seen that this was a general suit used for dogs in rocketry experiments, not one used by Laika. Thanks for bringing this up, I'll remove the image. CitrusHemlock 20:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)