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Weirdo Jace was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was to delete.

14 year old aspiring musician. 10 google hits for the name. Maximus Rex 04:44, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete, along with Weirdo Jace Moose Head. Gamaliel 05:16, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • And Moose_Head as well. Kid, when, you're famous, people will write about you. Ianb 05:56, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete, ... most of those google hits aren't even _about_ "Weirdo Jace", just irc logs -- Generica 05:58, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)
  • And just before bed, too. Just delete this. Dude, we wish you luck, but you aren't quite ready for an article. - Lucky 6.9 07:20, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not yet notable, I have a gut feeling this one will be one day but he's not yet. I guess Moose Head and Weirdo Jace Moose Head both need their own listings, I'll do it eventually if nobody else does. Andrewa 07:27, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I'll tell you what. Keep the main Weirdo Jace article, but delete Weirdo Jace Moose Head and Moose Head. Is that a good enough compromise? MajorB 13:44, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • nope. You realise a "compromise" like this would be setting a precedent - write 3, get 1 accepted? Ianb 14:03, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Not true. I should have waited to do the other two articles, but there is nothing wrong with the main article. In fact, MH had been relesed months ago, but it was taken off the internet to be completely redone and sold on Cafepress (he had given it for free before). and if you say "he'll never make it," perhaps you'd be interested that Tony Goldmark wanted to hear his stuff? MajorB 14:44, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • I'm saying "come back when he makes it". Wikipedia is not a promotional vehicle. Ianb 14:49, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
          • It isn't. The main article has nothing wrong with it. By your logic, since the album has not been released yet and he has not "made it" yet, Windows Longhorn should be deleted off of Wikipedia too. MajorB 14:58, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
            • If an unknown (even if very talented) 14 year old was claiming to have written an unreleased operating system, then yes, I would want it deleted. This is my last word on the matter.Ianb 15:06, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete all: It's funky. At first, he says he's an "independent" (no record contract), then that CaffePress will release his album (hmm, that being more of a sales site). Non-notable, band vanity. Geogre 13:52, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Cafepress is not a record label, so to speak...they just manufacture and sell the record off thier site. Technically, Jace is independent, since he is not under contract.MajorB 14:03, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • MajorB - are you by any chance related to Weirdo Jace? Could't help noticing you're the original contributor of the articles in question. Ianb 14:08, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • Nope, but I know him. I usually help him improve his songs. I did his website before it went under. The main article was done with his permission. MajorB 14:44, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Why is this even up for deletion? Wikipedia obviously has enough bandiwidth, and even if nobody cares, the article is doing no harm. When people want to view it, it's there. There are many other articles that should be deleted (Tom Brazelton and Cami Brazelton come to mind- they can just be integrated into Theater Hopper), and you guys are whining about something that reallky isn't breaking many rules. MajorB 15:20, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • Comment: This is a general reference work. The rules for inclusion are plainly stated. If and when Jace hits it big, he is then deserving of an article. This is just self-promotion at this point. Now that I've vented, may I say that I agree with you regarding that "Theater Hopper" tripe. Still, there's a slippery slope here and the line has to be drawn somewhere. Just look a the "discussion" regarding the Nova Roma micronation to see what I mean. Open content does not equal anarchy. - Lucky 6.9 17:39, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Explanation: MajorB, the reason this is under debate is that articles are of things that are meaningful in the world, rather than just things that exist in the world. There are thousands of signed bands currently wishing to increase their notability, and there are tens of thousands of unsigned bands wishing even more for notability through advertising. It is the policy of Wikipedia to delete articles on persons who are not notable. "Notable" is debated, but the guideline most use is that a band without a record contract is out without debate, a band with a recording contract that has gone silently along is probably out, unless it has influence or characteristic importance. Weirdo Jace loses out for lack of notability. Geogre 18:07, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • FGine. You win. MajorB 18:10, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • It's not about winning, it's about notability. Moose Head isn't. DeleteAverage Earthman 21:55, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Weirdo Jace, Weirdo Jace Moose Head, and Moose_Head. Sorry, as of 2004, vanity, not notable. Good luck to Weirdo Jace and/or MajorB. Perhaps Weirdo Jace will become famous and warrant an article sometime in the future. Dpbsmith 23:15, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Comment: Both Weirdo Jace Moose Head and Moose Head are now listed for deletion in their own right. Hopefully we don't need to go through this entire discussion again for them, but as there were no VfD notices on either I thought this was the neatest way. Andrewa 01:31, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: not notable. Wile E. Heresiarch 03:38, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete them all. Man, you'd think people would figure this out by now, but I guess this is what you get for giving people the opportunity to write encyclopedia entries about their dogs. (my cat, by the way, has been pressuring me to write an entry about him, but unfortunately his latest album has not come out yet, so I will wait for awhile. For those of you saying he's not going to make it, you might like to know that Tony Goldmark wanted to hear his stuff?). --Fastfission 23:35, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Fastfission: "latest" implies there have been prior albums. A cat with a record contract is notable. Get writing! Ianb 05:18, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete Weirdo Jace, Weirdo Jace Moose Head, and Moose Head - musical vanity. -- Cyrius|✎ 05:36, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete all. Vanity. Maybe by 2006, he'll be wiki-worthy Dukeofomnium 13:44, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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