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TWA's response

One of the big issues of this crash was the way family members and the passenger list was mishandled. In fact, Swissair Flight 111 even mentions this as something to learn from. It's actually why I landed on this article because I wondered what TWA did, but having read the article, I do not see anything but a brief mention and it's not even elaborated on. If time allows, I will try to write a section on that. I feel that this is significant because it too was a contributing factor in the aftermath. In fact, in a very left handed kind of way, the TWA response is nodded too via the law change mentioned in the 4th paragraph of the Aftermath section. MagnoliaSouth ^(talk) 08:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to post the article that mentions TWA though they are not the focus of the article: Airlines act swiftly to help relatives New U.S. law required detailed emergency plan. MagnoliaSouth ^(talk) 15:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 December 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TWA Flight 800 → TWA Flight 800 (1996) – Another incident involved TWA Flight 800 (1964). Whenever the flight number is used at least twice with the same operator, we write the year on both articles (for e.g. Japan Air Lines Flight 472 (1972) and Japan Air Lines Flight 472 (1977)) and only this article is exempt from that. Also per WP:AATF. Username006 (talk) 05:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose WP:PRIMARYTOPIC applies here. The incident was the only incident that involved TWA 800 that most people know despite another incident with different aircraft happened in 1964. If you want to move the article, why not creating DAB for base name? 125.167.58.183 (talk) 10:22, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for same reason, primary topic; I think the existing redirect is sufficient. The crash was important enough that the NTSB kept the fuselage for training. Comparing 1964 to 1996 pageviews over a two year span (Nov '19-21), the former accident has 26,528, the latter 1,534,337. Both articles saw a major spike corresponding to the NTSB decommissioning in July this year, meaning people probably confused 1964 for the modern accident, and adding a date could possible confuse more than help imho. Strangerpete (talk) 12:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. – The Grid (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I like the idea, but I've never heard of the other one and find no compelling reason to confuse people. #bodyContent a[title="PlaneCeiling912 { background-color: ##FF0000; color: #000000; font-weight: bold; } 19:04, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Please explain this revert

So @Andrewgprout:, could you explain this revert [1] you conducted? I don't understand why you described it as "Not an improvement" or "unconstructive". Thank you for your kind understanding. Username006 (talk) 07:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, as a third opinion – I would say the level of precision is a bit much. I am reviewing the NTSB report and even they reference the plane as "TWA flight 800" and then "TWA 800". In other words, the existing page was sufficient. Adding to it would be going into excessive detail. – The Grid (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@The Grid: I do not mean to offend you by any means but I assume some form of consensus that using the IATA and ICAO in the brackets is the usual norm for the lead of an article. Such as Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. I do not think overprecision is a reasonable justification to revert. Also, going through the NTSB report, it is evident that the phrase TWA flight 800 is used more often than TWA 800. Username006 (talk) 17:53, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Username006: no, adding all possible flight numbers in the first line of the lead is not the norm and to my knowledge no consensus has been established about it, despite some articles showing that information. Flight numbers are already clearly listed in the infobox, and adding them to the text does not necessarily improve it, unless the flight number has entered common usage (such as with TWA 800 and unlike TW800). --Deeday-UK (talk) 20:51, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Deeday-UK: Thank you. Username006 (talk) 03:30, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just to note the addition of the icao/iata flight numbers in the infobox is fairly recent so some articles still have them in the lead paragraph although the lead should include the most common flight format, in this case TWA800. MilborneOne (talk) 12:27, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I must admit my initial revert and edit summary was mostly in response to the replacement of "TWA" with "flight" in the image caption text and the previous edit summary was ambiguous so I had no idea why this was changed. My revert edit summary "Not an Improvement" is not the same as "Unconstructive" which was your word above not used by me. I see such edits as this as not being necessary even though the result is of similar meaning and intent - and randomly twiddling with words is time wasting and ultimately disruptive. On the subject of the multiple flight numbers I see this as not particularly helpful to readers of the encyclopaedia. Andrewgprout (talk) 00:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 15:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Eastwind Aircraft in August of 1995

... that N221US, an airplane which had suffered a near crash due to rudder failures, had witnessed the explosion of the third worst aircraft crash in US history a month after ?

Source: "The Flight 800 Investigation

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Arhan D (talk) 22:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Neither article is eligible as they have not even been successfully edited in the last week, never mind 5x expanded. Please read WP:DYKG before nominating anything else.--Laun chba ller 23:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statements in article

Article refers to crazy readings in the FQIS system. What was actually being referred to was readings in the engine fuel flow system, which had wiring adjacent to the FQIS wiring.

Article also says a flammable mixture will always exist in the fuel tank. This is incorrect, however it is conservatively assumed for certification purposes that a flammable mixture always exists. The actual amount of time it exists varies widely with airplane design, fuel type, environmental conditions etc. 184.177.151.69 (talk) 05:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnote

@Indyguy: re [2], please explain why

"Flight 800" redirects here. For the 1964 crash in Rome, see TWA Flight 800 (1964). For the documentary, see TWA Flight 800 (film). For other incidents with the same flight number, see Flight 800 (disambiguation).

is "less confusing and more informative" than

This article is about the 1996 crash. For the documentary, see TWA Flight 800 (film). For another crash, see TWA Flight 800 (1964).

"Flight 800" redirects here. For another incident, see LATAM Airlines Flight 800.

bearing in mind the way the latter starts, and the position of someone looking for the LATAM flight. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Much of what you say makes sense. However, I think it would be good if the hatnote indicated where the other crashes occurred in addition to the year. How about:

"Flight 800" redirects here. For the documentary, see TWA Flight 800 (film). For the 1964 crash in Rome, see TWA Flight 800 (1964). For the 2024 in-flight incident, see LATAM Airlines Flight 800.

This would work until there another Flight 800 article and the disambiguation page has to be added again. Indyguy (talk) 18:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Indyguy: That's good, thanks. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]