Talk:FM

Please stop

Please stop this foolishness. FM does mean more than Frequency Modulation.Please stop this redirect stuff.--Numerousfalx 00:37, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Of all the links pointing to FM, which are for frequency modulation and which are not?? 66.245.114.74 01:07, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think we need to start a discussion about what the FM article should be. Any answers?? 66.245.114.74 01:11, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Primary topic dis-ambiguation

This dis-ambiguation page is, of course, large itself anyway, so it almost definitely needs the "(disambiguation)" suffix in its article title. Any primary meaning for the Fm capitalization format?? I'm sure frequency modulation is the primary one for the FM capitalization format (at least 90% of the many links that point there are for frequency modulation.) Georgia guy 18:25, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Large disambiguation pages can be and often are titled without the "(disambiguation)" suffix – the only reason for the suffix is in cases where there is a clear primary meaning for the "naked" title to redirect to, as is the case with FM. — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 20:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale supporting addition of "Fabricaciones Militares"

"FM" is also a well-known brand of armament in Argentina, its main customer being the argentinian military (especially the Army). The organization owner of this brand is the "DGFM", pls see details in the following web page (http://www.fab-militares.gov.ar/index1.htm , in Spanish), last accessed today. Regards, DPdH (talk) 14:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Target of FM Redirect

User:Georgia guy and I have been having a conversation over at Talk:FM about where the FM redirect should point. We'd love some additional thoughts from other involved Wikipedians. —mako ๛ 05:40, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Target

Only several occasions, this page has been redirected to FM (disambiguation) or to another page. On every occasion, it has been reverted back -- the last three types by User:Georgia guy.

I don't think it is in the best interests of our users to redirect FM to frequency modulation. Although this is literally what people mean when they write the letters FM, both readers and editors are at least as likely to be referring to (and interested in) FM broadcasting or FM band rather than the in-depth description of what frequency modulation means and how it works.

I just pulled up a big handful of links from Special:WhatLinksHere/FM. There are tons of pages like Telecommunications in Dominica or Telecommunications in Eritrea that link to FM but are more specifically referring to FM broadcasting. Lincoln, Nebraska, Niger, REO Speedwagon, Rush Limbaugh, BBC World Service, are a series of other examples which (from looking at the article) also pretty clearly are not directly referring to engineering trick of frequency modulation but instead to a type of radio broadcasting.

Of course, there are other articles like pre-emphasis network, frequency-shift keying, capture effect that link to FM and are actually referring to frequency modulation. But there is nothing like an overwhelming consensus in favor of frequency modulation over the uses. By my rough look through a few dozen random pages of links, people who are currently using the redirect would be better off sending people to an article other than frequency modulation more often than not.

If I had to choose, I'd say editors using FM usually mean FM broadcasting. But I don't have to choose. We can point the to the disambiguation page. And I think we should. —mako ๛ 21:55, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the best choice is to link FM broadcasting at the top of the Frequency modulation article. Georgia guy (talk) 00:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree and have included an argument with evidence to support that claim. If most of the incoming links to this article seem to be in reference to FM broadcasting and the split is distributed between a few different options, redirecting to FM broadcasting with a hatnote, and redirecting directly to the disambiguation page would better choices than your suggestion. —mako ๛ 14:38, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re-directing to the dis-ambiguation page implies that there is more than one primary meaning. Mercury is a valid dis-ambiguation page because the planet and the element are the 2 primary meanings. Georgia guy (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that the "FM" in FM broadcasting stands for frequency modulation is not relevant to this discussion because the concepts and the way they are used are distinct. This is why there are different articles in the first place.

But perhaps I am not being clear. I am suggesting that there are, in fact, multiple primary meanings. Looking at WP:DAB this seems pretty like a clear case:

Incoming wikilinks from Special:WhatLinksHere/FM indicate that there is a split between articles linking to FM that mean frequency modulation and FM broadcasting but, by my estimate, there are many more referring to FM broadcasting.
Traffic to the two articles [1][2] is of very similar magnitude.
Google searches don't seem to be useful in this situation.

Thanks for your patience! —mako ๛ 15:05, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There haven't been any references to Google searches anywhere in the above discussion up until your comment on them. Georgia guy (talk) 17:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to the guidelines for determining what a primary source is in WP:DAB. Apologies that this wasn't clear! —mako ๛ 18:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've presented evidence and arguments for why this redirect should point to FM (disambiguation) or, alternatively, to FM broadcasting. If you feel that this evidence and argument is unconvincing or incorrect, please explain why or present other evidence. Otherwise, I want to change the redirect. If you think these needs more people to think through this, we can post messages on talk pages for the articles involved or we can take this to Redirects for Discussion. —mako ๛ 19:14, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please notice the difference between this discussion and the discussion (not necessarily current) about moving New York to New York State. That discussion had a lot of Wikipedians come to an agreement. This one is just between Benjamin Mako Hill and me. Georgia guy (talk) 20:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. Are you suggesting that I try to bring more people into the conversation? I'm happy to do that. I just want to resolve the issue. —mako ๛ 19:57, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you really think a discussion that goes back-to-back between 2 Wikipedians is sensible?? Georgia guy (talk) 20:40, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright then. I'll post some messages to ask some others what they think. —mako ๛ 05:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's clear from the disambiguation page that FM can stand for lots of different things, so FM should redirect there. If article links are pointing at the wrong thing, those links should be corrected. There's no case to muddle these two separate issues together.--Harumphy (talk) 12:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mercury has lots of meanings. However, there is a question whose answer must be yes. This question is "Are at least 2 of these meanings important enough, as opposed to one, so that there can be a primary meaning??" In the case of Mercury, there's a planet and an element. In the case of FM, there's one such meaning, frequency modulation. Georgia guy (talk) 12:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you cite a reliable source to support this claim?--Harumphy (talk) 21:28, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What arguments are there for the statement that FM has more than one important meaning?? Georgia guy (talk) 22:36, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A few of the meanings listed on the disambiguation page are, in my opinion, sufficiently important to make unsafe any assumption that FM refers to Frequency Modulation and/or FM broadcasting. I know people who refer to the local farmers' market as "the FM".--Harumphy (talk) 08:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What country are you from for clarification?? I'm sure I (from the United States) have always heard it referred to as the Farmer's Market. Georgia guy (talk) 12:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have pointed you to evidence that FM is mostly often used in Wikipedia to refer to concept of FM broadcasting and not frequency modulation. I've also shown you that both articles get about as much traffic as each other. I still don't understand why you don't believe that this is not good evidence that FM has more than one important meaning. Even if the letters "FM" in FM broadcasting refer to frequency modulation, the concepts are clearly distinct. The fact that there are other common uses like the one Harumphy is suggesting is just added reason to disambiguate. —mako ๛ 05:32, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FM broadcasting is just a common use of frequency modulation. The Frequency modulation article has a section that says FM broadcasting is a use and it links to FM broadcasting as a main article. Georgia guy (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As there's no consensus for your move I've now restored the redirect to the disambiguation page.--Harumphy (talk) 12:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the redirect to Frequency modulation, since so many article links rely on it. You can't just hijack a redirect that's in use and make it go somewhere different than what it's used for. Dicklyon (talk) 07:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Look carefully at what is actually used for. More of those links are referring to FM broadcasting than to frequency modulation. —mako ๛ 18:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RFD

Because we don't seem to have gotten enough people involved to make any real progress toward consensus on this, I've nominated the article for redirects for discussion. Folks should throw their $0.02 in there. —mako ๛ 19:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have just closed the RfD. Given the majority opinion (4:1, 5:1 if you include me) over there is that there is no main target for FM, I moved the disambiguation article to FM. - Nabla (talk) 19:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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