Talk:Psychic vampire

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You are right, it needs a separate fair-use rationale for the Energy Vampires article. I don't know how to do this, create a separate fair-use rationale on this image for this article. If anyone knows how to do this, please do so. GustavusPrimus (talk) 19:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Problem checked and fixed. A new Non-free use media rationale for Energy vampire article was added. Missing tags were removed.
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MarkChase (talk) 20:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In popular fiction

The in popular fiction section may have too many trivial references. While they are examples of the energy vampire concept, they should be considered notable in some way. The best way to do so would be to reference third party discussion of these appearances.--SiIIyLiIIyPiIIy (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Determine quality and use as reliable sources

I am pretty sure that all of these have been identified as NOT meeting our WP:RS guidelines and I am very disappointed that they have somehow weaseled their way back into an article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 02:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do any meet our reliable source guidelines???

Fortune, Dion: Psychic Self-Defense. Weiser Books Publishing, 2001. ISBN 1-57863-151-3
Harbour, Dorothy: Energy Vampires: A Practical Guide for Psychic Self-protection. Destiny Books, 2002. ISBN 0-89281-910-3
Hort, Barbara E.: Unholy Hungers: Encountering the Psychic Vampire in Ourselves & Others. Shambhala, 1996. ISBN 1-57062-181-0
Konstantinos: Vampires: The Occult Truth. Llewellyn Publications, 1996. ISBN 1-56718-380-8
LaVey, Anton Szandor: The Satanic Bible (Avon, 1969, ISBN 0-380-01539-0)
Slate, Joe H.: Psychic Vampires: Protection from Energy Predators & Parasites. Llewellyn Worldwide Ltd., 2002. ISBN 0-7387-0191-2

They seem, to me, to meet the guidelines for sources on fringe theories.--UltraMagnus (talk) 06:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Energy vampire → Psychic vampire ?

This was discussed in the recent AFD and is easily confirmed as the more widspread term by counting up the sources that actually use the term Psychic rather than Energy. I suggest the move goes ahead unless someone raises a strong objection.—Ash (talk) 16:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, another article on this topic previously existed at Psychic vampire, see this edit where it was redirected without fanfare to Vampire lifestyle. I decided to take it upon myself to restore the old Psychic vampire article and to merge the content from Energy vampire to that location. Whatever404 (talk) 17:30, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits and NPOV

I think Ash did a great job with some of the edits in this series (during which several other editors contributed), but I changed the wording of the lede back from "a psychic vampire is a mythological or fictional person...". My thinking behind this is that we do not use the word "fiction" to describe topics covered in articles about religion, because it is more neutral to state that some people believe in x, and leave it at that. We can certainly cite sources that state that the scientific community found that x is pseudoscience, or that a research study found no evidence of y, or that z was not effective, etc., but it's not Wikipedia's place to state definitively whether a phenomenon is real or not, regardless of how editors feel about it. Ash, if I've misinterpreted the purpose of your edit, please respond. Whatever404 (talk) 15:05, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The lead still includes "and in fiction" so I will not fight against the change.

I am slightly concerned about "mythological" in addition to "fiction". Though it could be argued from good sources that the vampire appears as a mythological creature, I doubt there are good sources for "psychic vampire" as this is a much more recently coined term. Does anyone have a suitable source that specifically claims "psychic vampires" were told of in traditional stories concerning the early history of a people in order to justify "mythological"? If not I suggest the word is dropped. As I think is was me that put it in, I'll take it out for the time being.—Ash (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, certainly, if there are (sourced) fictional depictions of psychic vampires, I see no reason not to note that in the article. Similarly, if there are cultural myths describing people or entities as engaging in the type of practices associated with the modern term "psychic vampire", I think that mentioning the same would be appropriate. I like what you did, differentiating occult beliefs from myths. Any ideas as far as expanding either description? Or ideas for the article overall? Whatever404 (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the last paragraph in this article because it was clearly opinionated and provided no source for its assertions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.11.161.107 (talk) 08:32, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Very Biased and One-Sided

This whole article, as it stands of as of right now, is very biased, as the article is not neutral. It appears to describe psychic vampires as negative individuals, who are nothing but vile, evil people! Please change the article to reflect on the views of people who feel that their condition empowers them, rather than crippling them. Also, the overtone of this article implies that psychic vampirism is just a "claim", while most psychic vampires truly believe in their condition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.115.85.22 (talk) 04:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

you are not a vampire. you are just a normal, dorky guy. hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.210.14 (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to have a very different interpretation

I never took Lavey to be claiming that psychic vampires are anything other than negative people that live to make others miserable-- people that should be avoided basically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.251.75 (talk) 10:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. LaVey uses the term as a simple short-hand way to refer to individuals who thrive on making people feel obligated to contribute to them in some way. When LaVey spoke of them feeding off of a person's vital energy, I feel he made it rather clear that the "vital energy" he was talking about was a person's vital resources like time, money, and freedom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.113.53.162 (talk) 10:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Psychic/Energy Vampires in Comics

It seems to me that Energy Vampires had an important role in comics, given they could get past the Comic Code ban on vampires. Karl Lykos or Sauron for example, from Marvel, while primarily used to get around being a were-wolf (being a were-pteradon) is also an energy vampire. He wouldn't have been allowed to drink blood.--71.232.241.114 (talk) 21:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since the comic code was only in one country, it only really constrained a small minority of comics; admittedly our current content covers those ones disproportionately. bobrayner (talk) 22:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Description of "Emotional Vampire" and ambiguity

The section describing the term "emotional vampire" began "Bernstein uses the phrase "emotional vampire" for people..." without a Wiki link (he has none) to clarify who Bernstein is, or why we should care. The cite notes at the end refer you to a page on the author (now identified)'s own site, and two others referencing his book - along with the work of one other, Judith Orloff whose authority should probably speak for itself.

I didn't get this straight away as I was busy looking around for the Bernstein in question and found Eric Berne, born Eric Bernstein, who created Transactional Analysis and spoke of psychic vampires in his 1964 bestseller Games People Play, none of which is mentioned in this article at all.

Needless to say clearing all this up has left me very drained and frustrated, and led me to suspect someone has been manipulating the readers emotionally for their own personal gain. Anyway, first-time caller, hope it helps.

Brokenscience (talk) 07:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]