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Q: Why can I not add "Shri", "Chhatrapati", or "Maharaj" to Sambhaji's name?

A: As per WP:Honorifics and WP:Commonname, in Wikipedia, we refer to people by their commonly used name in the cited academic sources. We do not include titles or Honorifics unless they are commonly used in the cited sources (Shambaji does not fall in this category).
Please note Charles III, where he is referred to as "Charles" throughout, not "King Charles" nor "His Royal Highness" or whatnot. We clearly note Sambhaji's titles in the article, we just don't repeat them each time his name is written.

Q: Why does it say "addiction to sensual pleasures"? I do not like that!

A: That is exactly what the cited source says, and other sources note allegations that he behaved inappropriately with a Brahmin woman, or may have committed some other offense. Suffice to say, for whatever reason, Shivaji confined him to Panhala. If you know of an alternate theory for that confinement, and have a reliable source, you can add that as an alternative theory, but you cannot simply remove that explanation unless you have very strong evidence that such story is obsolete according to modern scholars.

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WP:OR on the execution of Sambhaji

@Anvesh.rajeshirke, please read WP:OR. We can't make assumptions from sources, but should make citations based on the statements in it. So consider finding sources that explicitly stated the claim. And please insert the tag again. Imperial ^[AFCND] 07:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The proof is available in public domain & reliable. As Martin has written over 3 books full of his experiences in India. Martin lived in Infia at the same time when Sambhaji Maharaj was captured. As Martins life was affected by this event as he was the Governor of French colony. Martin flawless mentioned the culprits of the events. Therefore this diary has been unprecedented proof, which shall be displayed to wider audience. University students from India have done PhD on Martin's diaries; please search in Google scholar to confirm. All the other proofs such as Mehta book; says Soyarabai had been the culprit & presents her as the Shirke's daughter. However Soyarabai had been the Mohite's daughter & Habbirao Mohite's sistet, you can check this on Soyarabai's Wikipedia page and other legitimate proofs. All the other authors including Mehta published his book in 90's without any solid proof regarding the capture event, these are mere speculations. Today we have the solid proof. Therefore this page from Martin's diary is very important, which is the only proof government of Maharashtra holds now. In fact Maharashtra government clearly mentioned in a written document that they cannot find any proof that Ganoji Shirke had been involved with the capture. There are valid reasons for this. Therefore this source stands stronger than any other speculations that Brahmins had been the culprits. Kindly accept the truth. Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk) 11:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here we got some regulations for editing. We cannot make our own research, not can cite from Primary sources. Especially historical contexts. If you got better sources, use that. Imperial ^[AFCND] 11:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here we do have high standards. I'm a researcher in Imperial college London. So we'll aware of the citation & it's policy. Do you have better source? Other than Mehta. IMPERIAL[AFCND] Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk) 11:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ImperialAficionado Read the WP:OR definition carefully. The given source is contemporary, legitimate, & available in public domain. Therefore, falls distinct from the WP:OR guidelines. Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk) 12:09, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a misunderstanding. I am leaving this for anyone else. Please let me keep the ^{[original research?]} Tag there. Else the discussion won't last as none notices it. If nobody talks you about it for sometimes, remove the tag. How's it? Imperial ^[AFCND] 13:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please the message sent before, it is apt & stands within the guidelines. Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk) 17:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The French reference is a primary source.Mr. Shirke has to find a better secondary source if he wants to use this information.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is English Wikipedia, and therefore knowledge of the french language from the 17th century is not required.Please get the appropriate passage translated and add it to the note section.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 22:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The execution section

The section about his death mentions the same events multiple times. Someone needs to fix this. IndianEmperor7 (talk) 14:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please go ahead and fix it. I am sure you will adhere to Wikipedia policy on NPOV and reliable source. All the best.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear sir or madam, Message regarding the reference number 32, & it's falsity.

Chatrapati Sambajaji was captured due to his close Brahmins. As the solid proof from Martin's diary is sufficient along with rest of the available proofs at the government of Maharashtra. These close Brahmins not only assisted to capture Smabhaji Raje but also vindicated the closest relatives of Sambahji Maharaj that is his wife Maharajni Yesubai & her family. So much so that all power were saturated in Pune in hands of Peshwa. Until Maratha empire lost everything at the feet of British empire. The reference number 32 ignore all these facts & blame Ganoji Raje; in fact the close Brahmins of Sambahji Maharaj betrayed the Chatrapati on many occasions & in the end able to behead Chatrapati with the help of Mukkabar Khan, the Mughal army general appointmented by Emporer Aurangzeb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk • contribs) 02:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete ref 32, vindicating Ganoji Shirke & family

Dear sir or madam, Chatrapati Sambajaji was captured due to his close Brahmins. As the solid proof from Martin's diary is sufficient along with rest of the available proofs at the government of Maharashtra, currebtly with the Pooratatva Vibhag. According to the current historical documents, the close Brahmins of Sambahji Maharaj not only assisted to capture Smabhaji Raje multiple times but also vindicated the closest relatives of Sambahji Maharaj that is his wife Maharajni Yesubai & her brother & family Shirke. So much so that all power control was shifted to Bramhins & maratha was mis used & saturated in Pune in the hands of Peshwa. Until Maratha empire lost its armed navy & shortly everything at the feet of British empire. The reference number 32 ignore all these facts, also the letter from Government of Maharashtra that "the historical department has no proof against Ganoji Shirke for helping Mughal army. not to mention that Ganimi Kawa was very important to Shirke & Bhosale family. There many Shirke family member spies had changed their names & lived near the toorps of the Mughal army. However history was written by upper cast Bramhins therefore had been unkind to Ganoji Shirke, blamed Yesubai's brother; in fact the close Brahmins of Sambahji Maharaj betrayed the Chatrapati on many occasions, where Anna hi Datto & his close associates were found guilty more than once; hence beheaded by Sambahji Maharaj. Killing a bramhin had been considered the greatest sin the ancient India, therefore all the close relatives of Anna ji Datto & supports planned to take revenge of Chatrapati Sambhaji. Neither the Bramhins at the time supported Shivaji Maharaj during his coronation nor support his elder son Sambahji. In the end these bramhin families were able to behead Chatrapati with the help of Mukkabar Khan, the Mughal army general appointmented by Emporer Aurangzeb. Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk) 02:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Avnesh.rajeshirke, only martin's diary cannot be considered as a reliable proof. There should be a secondary supporting reference for it. Therefore I have removed the information regarding Martin's diary in capture and execution section. Mahusha (talk) 14:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]