Talk:Tripoli, Libya

Tripoli, Lebanon

how could tripoli, lebanon be placed here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.116.68.150 (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2004 (UTC)

There is an article on Tripoli, Lebanon. --Anthony5429 07:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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Jaw101ie 12:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

If anyone has the coordinates, could he/she add them to the article at the top, using {{coor title dms}}? --Anthony5429 07:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Presley obannon

someone recently edited mention of the guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presley_O%27Bannon and i figured he should be put back in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.205.117 (talk) 12:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Neighborhoods without articles

Neighborhoods without articles include:

• Bab Al-Aziziya

WhisperToMe (talk) 02:12, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

contradictory claim

We never start a paragraph with "Actually" and then deny the truth of the preceding paragraph. I am therefore moving it here:

Special Note: Actually, the 1805 Battle of Derna was based on President Thomas Jefferson assembling an expeditionary force of Marines to respond. Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon and his Marines marched across 600 miles of the Libyan Desert to successfully storm the fortified Tripolitan city of Derna and rescue the kidnapped crew of the USS Philadelphia.

The Marines’ victory helped Prince Hamet Bey reclaim his rightful throne as ruler of Tripoli. In gratitude, he presented his Mameluke sword to Lt O’Bannon. This famous sword became part of the Marine officer uniform in 1825, and remains the oldest ceremonial weapon in use by United States forces today. (End of special note)

— kwami (talk) 11:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Martyrs' Square or Green Square?

Please correct me if I am wrong on this, but I don't think the 'renaming' has been voted on, or written down in any decree or otherwise official document. Perhaps for now the text should read "immediately given the informal name of Martyrs' Square", or something of this sort. -Hamamelis (talk) 20:19, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

That was the square name before the coup d'etat in 1969. The green square is the name that was forced without any voting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.254.5.174 (talk) 15:38, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Bride not Mermaid

There is a confusion about how Tripoli called , and it's due to literal translation. It is known as "The bride of mediterranean" lit: "Arous al bahr al mutawaset" and it's abbreviated to "Arous el bahr" which is literally means: Mermaid, that what makes confusion to others, and according to that name it's not affectionately call as mentioned in the article, but it was known of that in the sixties of last century when it was getting more prosperous and open. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.252.255.162 (talk) 23:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Law and govt. section

Needs to be de-Jamahiriyaed

Probably true of many other Libya-articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.103.5 (talk) 21:06, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, but it mustn't be NTCed in the process. 82.176.209.52 (talk) 13:35, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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ISM School of Tripoli?

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.ismschool.com/ is supposed to have been a website of an international school in Tripoli, Libya but I haven't had luck in finding a non-parked domain site. I wonder when it was active? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:18, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Timeline of Tripoli

What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 11:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Contradiction

There seems to be a contradiction between this Wiki page, other wiki pages ('Battle of Derne' and 'Presley O'Bannon') as well as the new book, 'Thomas Jefferson and the Tripoli Pirates.'

While this article states that 500 marines were present during the long march and attack at Derne, the other three sources claim a much smaller number. The 'Battle of Derne' WIki page uses the phrases a "squad of Marines" and "A small detachment of U.S. Marines..." The 'Presley O'Bannon' Wiki page says that "he commanded a detachment of seven Marines and two Navy midshipmen in General William Eaton's small army during the Tripoli campaign of the First Barbary War." The above mentioned book agrees with the O'Bannon page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:440:8200:D334:9504:1A33:7BE2:601 (talk) 02:51, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Merge

Should the page at Tripoli, Libya be merged into this one? It covers the Italian period but there is a section on the same period in this article.--Boreas74 ^{You'll catch more flies with honey} 18:54, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

• Strong agree. And add a hatnote link to Tripoli (disambiguation). Rhialto (talk) 01:08, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Tripoli Port

A content fork with insufficient unique information to justify a stand alone article. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:32, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 24 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. It is apparent that the Libyan city is not believed to be overwhelmingly primary over the Lebanese city and other Tripolis. Will also ask for a move Tripoli (disambiguation) to the base name to complement this. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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Tripoli → Tripoli, Libya – No clear primary topic. Other major uses include Tripoli, Lebanon // Tripoli, Greece // County of Tripoli. Consistent with other capital cities with other common uses, such as Georgetown, Guyana // Kingston, Jamaica // San José, Costa Rica // Victoria, Seychelles.

Onceinawhile (talk) 10:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 13:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

• Weak support per nom, Tripoli, Lebanon gets a significant chunk of page views.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:17, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
• Comment – Over the last few years, I've fixed 161 162 articles with wikilinks from Tripoli to Tripoli, Lebanon and 39 40 from Tripoli to Tripoli, Greece. I doubt that I'm the only editor fixing this problem. Certes (talk) 13:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Pretty sure that the city in Libya is what most readers are looking for when they type "Tripoli". Page views suggests that the city in Lebanon gets almost half as many daily views, while the one in Greece gets about 20% as many. Tripoli, Iowa and Tripoli, Wisconsin barely register. The population figures have similar proportions, and all of the other places listed on the disambiguation page are either the names of the districts in which the cities called "Tripoli" are located—most of them historic, not current—or are distinguished naturally as "Tripolis". As it seems to account for significantly more page views than all of the others combined, I would say that the capital of Libya is primary for usage. Many English speakers are probably aware of only one Tripoli—in most cases, the capital of Libya. And I would hate to make the Marines modify the lyrics of their hymn to "the shores of Tripoli, Libya". P Aculeius (talk) 14:35, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Some trivia for you – the Marines' hymn refers to the battle not long after the Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary – even back then it was necessary to disambiguate the term Tripoli :-)

By the way, your analysis excludes the very popular article County of Tripoli. Crusader history is a significant academic user of the word Tripoli. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:46, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Treaties are legal documents, and have to avoid any risk of ambiguity. It doesn't make the general use of "Tripoli" out of context ambiguous. If an English speaker only knows of one Tripoli, it's almost certainly going to be the one in Libya. My analysis above does account for districts around places called "Tripoli", as the County of Tripoli is. But that article is called "County of Tripoli", not "Tripoli", and that's not going to change, irrespective of the outcome of this proposal. It has natural disambiguation, and should have very little effect on whether the capital of Libya is or isn't primary for the title "Tripoli". But even if we did include it—the capital of Libya would still have more page views than Tripoli in Lebanon, Tripoli in Greece, the County of Tripoli, Tripoli in Iowa, and Tripoli in Wisconsin combined. So I stand by my conclusion that Tripoli in Libya should be considered primary for the topic—as it currently is. P Aculeius (talk) 00:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

That is before adjusting for base name advantage. See for example the recently disambiguated pages named Prism.[1] The optical prism (which was at the base name) seemed to have double the views of the geometric prism; but after disambiguation – putting both on equal footing – we can see that the geometric subject is slightly more popular. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:18, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that's a significant factor here. I don't believe that a significant proportion of readers who typed "Tripoli" in the search window were surprised to find themselves at the article about the capital of Libya. For English speakers, it's nearly always going to be the first one that comes to mind, and for many, the only one. I don't think you could say that about the other Tripolis, except for the relatively small number of English speakers who live in or near them. P Aculeius (talk) 15:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per P Aculeius. While somewhat borderline, I agree that the capital of Libya is the primary topic based on general knowledge. No such user (talk) 13:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support. The Greece location is rather notable. Steel1943 (talk) 16:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

  I'm not saying that it's non-notable—merely that the capital of Libya is primary for the title, because people are much more likely to be looking for it when they type "Tripoli". P Aculeius (talk) 02:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per User:P Aculeius. The capital of Libya is the primary topic.As an aside, I have always found it interesting that Monopoli is a board game, Dipoli is a building in Espoo, and Tripoli is the capital of Libya. Now where is Quadripoli? JIP | Talk 00:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

  Tetrapolis. Polis is Greek. Srnec (talk) 02:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

  I find that there are places called "Tetrapolis", "Pentapolis", "Hexapolis", "Heptapolis", "Octapolis", "Decapolis", "Dodecapolis", and possibly "Hendecapolis". Did not find a "Nonapolis". P Aculeius (talk) 02:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

  Well, Octapolis was an ancient city in Turkey and Octapolis (video game) is a video game for the Commodore 64 (no relation to each other). JIP | Talk 11:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

  @JIP, Srnec, P Aculeius, and Certes: see the list at Polis#City names with numbers, in case you want to add. Onceinawhile (talk) 12:51, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

  Monopoli is a town in Italy. He also played for Bari. Certes (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Question: @Onceinawhile: Was this move request intended to also include moving Tripoli (disambiguation) to Tripoli? Steel1943 (talk) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I think it has to, as it's based on having no clear primary topic, and a redirect from Tripoli would be malplaced. Certes (talk) 14:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Steel1943: yes that’s right. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

• Support the Lebanese location is historically significant, rivalling the current political capital of Libya -- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 07:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom and OMG that list of numbered cities! Be still my geeky heart! Um. Yeah. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:40, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Tripoli very much needs to be disambiguated. Tripoli in Lebanon is very significant. It may not make the news lately, but in the 1980s, the shoe was on the other foot. Walrasiad (talk) 06:10, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Less than half the page views go to the Libyan Tripoli. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 02:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
• Support. There are many prominent cities called Tripoli.Plasamas (talk) 09:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Post move

The recent page move leaves over 2,000 articles linking to the disambiguation page Tripoli. Please help to fix these by making a piped link to [[Tripoli, Libya|Tripoli]] or other suitable target. Thanks, Certes (talk) 14:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

I am helping. I moved a few hundred yesterday including all the templates.

In doing so I noticed a few which should have pointed to the Lebanon article. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Yes, there will be a few for Lebanon and Greece; it's not an exercise that a bot could do mindlessly. Certes (talk) 15:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

RIDICULOUS, "Tripoli" should not be a disambiguation page

• Honestly, a national capital of one of the world's major oil producers, a city of over one million people, with a name that people associate with Libya, should stand on its own. Nobody refers to "Tripoli, Libya". It's like making London a dab page to keep it from being "confused" with London, Ontario or London, Kentucky. Mandsford 17:11, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

"Tripoli" is ambiguous and also refers to other topics such as Tripoli, Greece and Tripoli, Lebanon. The above discussion #Requested move 24 September 2022 found that the Libyan capital is not a primary topic, so its article title needs to be qualified. Certes (talk) 19:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC)