Talk:Privilège du blanc

House of Savoy

The article states that all princesses of the House of Savoy are permitted to wear white when having an audience with the Pope, and the article includes a picture of an Italian queen and her daughter both wearing white. The article goes on to list that currently only the The Princess of Naples has the privilege. Do the other Savoian princesses not (for example The Princess of Venice, or The Duchess of Aosta) have the privilege? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 16:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Non-reigning royals

If we can find the proper sources, would it be beneficial to include information about royal women of non-reigning Catholic houses that also have not been granted the privilege? I'm thinking of consorts like The Princess of Thurn and Taxis, Archduchess Francesca of Austria, The Princess Napoléon, The Countess of Paris, and The Duchess of Braganza (of the formerly sovereign House of Thurn and Taxis, House of Habsburg-Lorraine, House of Bonaparte, House of Orléans, and House of Braganza)? I was also wondering, since the dispensation to the House of Savoy states that it was for "princesses of the House of Savoy", does that mean all princesses are entitled to the privilege, or just The Princess of Naples? Can, for example, The Princess of Venice wear white for a Papal audience? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:56, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Princess of Liechtenstein

I have checked around many websites and the only ones I can find that have the white privilege are the Queen of Spain, the Queen of Belgium and the Grand Duchess or Luxembourg. Nowhere have I found any reference to the princess of liechtenstein having the privilege. Can anyone provide a reference? Cjrs 79 03:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

You are correct. There are two catholic serene houses: Liechtenstein and Monaco. The princess consort of neither holds the privilege du blanc. The article is incorrect in a number of places: The Catholic Queens of Spain and Belgium, the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, the Archduchesses of Habsburg, the Princesses of Savoy and some ancient Roman noble families have the privilège du blanc.

Thanks, but can you tell me your references for the Princess of Savoy (I'm guessing you are refereing to the consort of the King of Italy?) and the Archduchess of Habsburg? I just want the references so I can add them to the article. Cjrs 79 15:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Historic eligibility

I am removing the reference to the Empress of Austria and Queen of Hungary, and to the Queens of France, Portugal, and Bavaria, until some evidence is provided of the use of the privilège by these ladies. 99.232.5.215 (talk) 19:19, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Various colors used by other women

In my opinion this section has gotten totally out of hand. Almost all of the information included has nothing to do with the topic of this article (Privilège du blanc). It certainly would be on-topic to mention the 2006 visit of Cherie Blair where a number of newspaper reports commented on her wearing white and how it related to the Privilège du blanc. But listing which ladies have worn black, blue, green, or red is not on topic for this article. I suggest that most of this section be removed. Noel S McFerran (talk) 23:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Controversial beneficiaries

I have removed the title of this sub-section. No source is cited stating that the use by the Duchess of Savoy and the Princess of Monaco is "controversial". There may be online discussions, but these are not reputable sources. I think that it is better just to state the facts: these ladies used the privilège du blanc. Drawing conclusions about this use is original research. Noel S McFerran (talk) 01:19, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Nonsense

An incredible amount of nonsense is being added to this article. If citations are not provided, the text will be removed. The privilege has never been used by an empress of Austria or a queen of Hungary. There is no evidence for its use before 1923. There is no evidence for the Holy See issuing instructions before events. 99.255.178.130 (talk) 04:18, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Since nobody has been able to provide citations for a number of statements after twenty days, I have removed them. 99.255.178.130 (talk) 08:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Could you perhaps sign in when making large scale edits of this sort? Mark Hamid (talk) 09:02, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

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Queens regnant

I know this isn’t an active issue now, but it is likely that the next Spanish monarch will be a queen regnant, as Felipe VI of Spain has only daughters and Spain applies male-preference primogeniture. The article currently only refers to consorts, so it’s not clear whether Infanta Leonor (or her sister, should something happen to Leonor) will be accorded the privilege once she takes the throne. Are queens regnant from the appropriate Catholic monarchies allowed to wear white to a papal audience or do different rules apply to actual reigning monarchs? Lockesdonkey (talk) 18:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I suppose we shall see. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 21:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

But surely there must be some precedent. Spain had a queen regnant in Isabella II in the late 19th century, and since then Luxembourg has had two grand duchesses regnant, Marie-Adélaïde and Charlotte, of whom Charlotte reigned until 1964 and lived until 1985. Is there no record of these monarchs' ever meeting with the Pope? Lockesdonkey (talk) 05:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

That's a good question. I'll look into it, and hope others do too. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2020 (UTC)