Talk:KEXP-FM

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This is a bare-bones outline of KEXP history. Anyone who was actually around during the CURSE years may want to chime in on that history, which is really interesting and obviously not prominently featured on KEXP's site. -- Scarequotes 22:29, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)

The "Cubicle Army" section was taken out because it was not relevant to anything. 24.41.62.9 18:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

npr?

I don't think that kexp is affiliated with npr. They are non-commercial, but KUOW-FM is the uw's npr station. I thought KEXP made its own way? Brassratgirl 16:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Brassratgirl-- I got that info from this article, as linked below in the article: http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article?article_id=100&page=3

It shows that KEXP is heavily supported by UW and NPR to be able to supply what it does to the public. 24.41.62.9 18:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Apparently, and to my surprise, they are. They never mention it on the air, and they don't broadcast any "normal" NPR content, but http://www.npr.org/programs/asc/archives/bestof2004/, on NPR's site, refers to "NPR member station KEXP" and http://www.kexp.org/learn/nprmodules.asp on KEXP's site is an "NPR Music Highlights" page, although it is currently empty. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:47, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

If you visit the station, they have an NPR sticker in their window. Melvillean 05:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Just because they technically are doesn't mean it isn't a scam and theft —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.132.19 (talk) 04:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

KEXP is also broadcast on an FM radio station in NY

someone who knows the details should add a note on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.111.116 (talk) 05:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

KXOT now part of KUOW

KUOW is now providing NPR programming to KXOT and will turn it back on this month. (See [1]) So, the redirect from KXOT to KEXP will need to be undone. --D Wilbanks 17:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like it should be replaced by an actual article there, mentioning the former affiliation with KEXP and the new association with KUOW (plus any interesting pre-KEXP history). - Jmabel | Talk 06:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Financials

I reverted the Financials section that was removed by Greg Jaspan. These are public documents and referenced in one of the articles listed here. KexpWatch 18:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Eli Messinger

This edit changed "Sherman Peabody (Eli Messinger)" to just "Eli Messinger". I don't remember him ever DJ'ing under his real name... - Jmabel | Talk 03:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

non-commercial radio station

what is the difference between college radio and non-commercial radio? i know that KEXP grew out of KCMU which was a college radio station, but, as it exists now, the only thing that is college radio about KEXP is that they lease the spectrum and technology from the University of Washington. What about DJs? Format? Programming? Littlewing0906 (talk) 16:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

82.72.14.136 (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)==Uncompressed mp3 stream??== Since when does a 128 kbps audio stream qualify as CD quality? CD data rates are actually nearly ten times the data rate of the best online stream that KEXP broadcasts at 128 kbps. When I make mp3 files from CD I "rip" them at 256 kbps which is still only about one fifth of the CD data rate. A 128 kbps stream is higher quality than what most other online stations use, but it is still a long, long way from an "uncompressed" CD quality audio stream. The people at KEXP who say their stream is "CD quality" simply don't know what they are talking about. I have changed the info in this article to correct the obvious mistakes.

There is an uncompressed stream. It isn't a mp3 stream but a Windows Media Uncompressed audio stream. mms://media-wm.cac.washington.edu/KEXP-Uncompressed 82.72.14.136 (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

UW question

I am curious about actual information on the money that KEXP continues to get from the University of Washington (tax dollars) and why that continues even though they appear to simply be a commercial radio station that doesn't have to pay taxes. Also, what funding does the official UW radio station RainyDawg radio get from the U. I admit I don't know what the trend is in other college radio stations, but it seems sad that Rainy Dawg is ONLY internet radio. Is KEXP essentially stealing money from the communication department of UW? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.192.13.37 (talk) 05:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Website

I don't know if this sentence, in the Website section of the article, is correct. "KEXP's website was the first site on the Internet to offer a 128 kbit/s, high-quality stream of live radio." There is no citation of a source for this information. However, in 2000, KEXP claimed to be the first internet radio station to provide an uncompressed audio stream (44,100 sampling rate, 16-bit depth, stereo). This is the equavalent to the bit rate used on audio CDs, i.e., 1.4 megabits per second. (See this press release about the event, http://kexp.org/about/kexpPR10_00.pdf .) They continue to offer this uncompressed audio stream, which can be accessed from their website's Listen Now feature. (This still may be unique, as I'm not aware of any other uncompressed 1.4 mbps audio streams available, at this time. At the least, KEXP's high bit rate, uncompressed audio stream is very rare for internet radio.) They also have more conventional bit rate streams in different formats available at this time - windows media 128 kbps stereo, 32 kbps monaural MP3, 128 kbps stereo MP3, and 256 kbps RealAudio. 98.70.114.50 (talk) 17:30, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Photos

Illustrations of their headquarters would be good. The broadcast studio, with a DJ, would be great. Also, there are many, many KEXP events and performances that could be shown. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello KEXP marketing team!

I saw that KEXP staff has been to this article and made change proposals which have since been reverted as promotional. They are welcome to come here and discuss changes to this page. I hope that they do visit and talk because I would love to see this article and related articles connected to that organization's expertise developed. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Wikipedians

I'm an employee of KEXP. I'm here because I think there should be a Wikipedia page for the KEXP inspired International Clash Day (February 7th). I also want to make sure I'm following Wikipedia guidelines and remaining objective. I think it's worthy of a page because (as of my talk page edit) 18 radio stations are participating in it and 9 state and city governments have participated by proclaiming it International Clash day.

Dylan-flesch (talk) 07:36, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Dylan-flesch These might be relevant to what you are doing -

• Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide
• Wikipedia:Notability, as the way to judge whether a topic can have a Wikipedia article
• Wikipedia:Tutorial
• In March at the University of Washington there is going to be a workshop and training, likely on either the 4th or 11th. If you have a draft of text and want assistance publishing on that day then experienced Wikipedians could help you.

Otherwise, this is wiki. Do what seems best to you and see what response you get. If you have questions then ask. I can answer, or you might go to WP:Teahouse or any of the other help forums. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 21:20, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

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Links

Prose

Lede

• is a non-commercial educational radio station - can we avoid the three links next to each other? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Removed a link.
• 501(c)(3) organization - is this important to the lede? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • In that donations are tax-deductible, yes.
    • I feel like we could say that without a very complicated word and link. Still not sure I understand why it having tax-free donations is a defining feature of this station. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

    @Lee Vilenski: Changed to read simply non-profit. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

• Eclectic is a hell of a word to have without a link - how is it eclectic? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
• EMP isn't use again in lede. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • This makes sense now. Good to know I should define terms like this separately when needed.
    • Whether you HAVE to do this is likely debatable... But I also like links in both lede and body. I'd recommend it as having to go all the way back to the lede to find what an acronym or link is for is quite the track as a reader. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

General

• laboratory for training communications - laboratory is likely the wrong word. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Reworded
• As a result, four UW undergraduates. - we need to redefine "UW" for the body. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
• noncommercial - hyphen Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Added, though I note the FCC sometimes doesn't use it!
• Old turntables from a northwest Washington radio station, an old transmitter being discarded by KNHC at Nathan Hale High School as it was upgrading its own facilities, and a $2,500 grant from the Board of Regents, as well as hours of manual labor in retrofitting a third-floor room in the building, erecting a transmitter tower atop McMahon Hall, and manually upgrading a telephone line to send audio from the Communications Building to the facility[6]—were all used in getting KCMU on the air on May 10, 1972.[ - this is somehow one sentence. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Split.
• rhythm that would define its history; puff. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
• KZAM (1540 AM), - do we need the radio number? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • This link is through-written for a reason—it wasn't the only KZAM in the area (KZAM-FM). I through-write links when confusion of this type may result. There is one other link of this type for the same reason.
• stereo broadcasts - is there a suitable link? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
• 1981–1982 - 1981–82. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Left as is; see MOS:DATERANGE.
• "very sympathetic to local bands" even before the rise of grunge and already had a requirement that a local band must be played at least once every hour[19]: 18 —found itself at the center of a budding new music scene in more ways than one beginning in the mid-1980s. In - what does grunge have to do with it? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Everything! But also...removing that does make that a shorter aside.
• The decision caused an outcry and led KCMU supporters to organize as CURSE - reword, this sentence doesn't mean much without the brackets. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Reworded to put the abbreviation in brackets
• The people section is very hollow - I don't get what it is. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Someone added that later after I brought this up to standard. Moved the link to the remaining page not linked elsewhere, Riz Rollins, and removed. With a few more entries, I'd consider a Notable presenters section here. This is less common with US stations than UK stations.

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:20, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
  • @Lee Vilenski: Items either addressed or responded to. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:44, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Kurt Cobain gave a Seattle radio station a copy of his first single, then called from a pay phone to request it after it went unplayed? Source: https://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/music/how-to-build-your-bands-brand-upstream-workshop-aims-to-help-emerging-artists/
  • ALT1: ... that a Seattle radio station was the first to play Soundgarden and Nirvana? Source: https://magazine.washington.edu/feature/uw-had-a-big-role-in-sparking-the-seattle-sound/ and https://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/music/how-to-build-your-bands-brand-upstream-workshop-aims-to-help-emerging-artists/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Haw Par Villa MRT station

Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 18:04, 19 October 2022 (UTC).

• Article recently became GA so its good, QPQ also already present. I prefer ALT1 as it focuses more on the radio, the hook is spread across several sentences but all cited (some are offline source but thats fine). Good to go I think Nyanardsan (talk) 00:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
  • @Sammi Brie: washington magazine isn't willing to say ALT1 for soundgarden in their own voice, and even the quote says "at least locally"? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:13, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
    • @Theleekycauldron: try [2] p63. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:30, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
      • @Sammi Brie: I'd propose a new hook to match that source, but i think I'll just go with ALT0 instead :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:44, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 9 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Maiacosis (talk) 18:46, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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KEXP-FM → KEXP – WP:COMMONNAME. "KEXP" is the station branding/name of the larger nonprofit, which has been involved in efforts additional to the FM broadcasting, and I thought it might make sense to use the more general name. The station appears to have been more keen about branding itself as a general arts organization, and anecdotally I have never heard locals use the full callsign (apart in the context of its hourly IDs). KEXP is currently a redirect to the current article. Maiacosis (talk) 18:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Oppose. Normally I would agree as your reasoning is logical; however for a US radio station, it would stick out as an exception to the rule that pages are always named after the official call sign, which in this case does include "-FM". If the non-profit is notable enough for its own article, maybe it should have one, but otherwise I think it's fine as is. — Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 18:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Garrettw87! I overlooked WP:RADIONAMING earlier and your perspective is really helpful. I'll withdraw the request move. Maiacosis (talk) 18:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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In case Dow Constantine ever becomes governor...

Excised this at FAC:

A KCMU alumnus of this period, who began with the station after KZAM folded, went onto a career in public office: Dow Constantine, later a Washington state legislator and King County Executive, whose future wife worked as a volunteer DJ.

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)